First we saw Allein Maliksi and Rico Maierhofer go to Ginebra for absolutely nothing in return( yes, consider Yancy De Ocampo and Jimbo Aquino bad players), now Dylan Ababou and Kerby Raymundo will be going to Ginebra for JC Intal (BMEG) , Reil Cervantes(Barako Bull) and Ronald Tubid(Barako Bull).

The Basketball scene in the Philippines is losing its integrity with trades like this. I remember when Enrico Villanueva, Larry Fonacier, and Lordy Tugade went to the San Miguel Beermen(during that time Magnolia). It was 2007 and Barako Bull led by coach Yeng Guiao was winning championships. San Miguel had the deepest line-up in league because aside from getting the best players of Barako Bull, they had Danny Seigle, Danny Ildefonso, Dorian Pena, Dondon Hontiveros, Olsen Racela, and rookie LA Tenorio. This team was good enough to become a Philippine National Team and by the next season they received Jay Washington and Mick Pennisi via free agency.

I consider these events as the "Philippine Basketball Dark Ages" because of these lopsided deals, many teams lost popularity such as Sta Lucia, Coca Cola, Shell, and Air 21. Nobody was watching the games except if you are a Ginebra, Purefoods, or a San Miguel fan. The only team that survived this turmoil was Alaska because the Aces management during that time was able to keep Tim Cone's system and they made a very smart trade to for LA Tenorio and Larry Fonacier in exchange for Ken Bono and Mike Cortez. The teams that lost money sold their Marquee players to Talk n Text, that is why Kelly Williams, Ranidel De Ocampo, and Ryan Reyes are playing for consecutive championships as we speak.



Now we are seeing it yet again. Basketball executives do not understand why people are watching these games or why people love the PBA. The Philippine Basketball Association is supposedly a basketball league and not a Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals event. Basketball fans turn on TV's or go to the Araneta Coliseum to watch competitive basketball. I really thought something changed this season. But when Barako Bull sent their best rookies to Ginebra, this league fortifed the idea that it is a big joke. Ginebra is a crowd favorite because it is an underdog not because it is an All-star team. Why can't SMC let Mark Caguioa and Jayjay Helterbrand and get younger players from future drafts? A league should have winners and losers that interchange from time to time. Franchises used to have an Alvin Patrimonio or Benjie Paras leading the way. Now, we have powerhouse teams that look very expensive (So much for the imposed salary cap). Instead of having role players, we see star players replacing star players. SMC teams and the Pangilinan teams are just too deep. The Lina group is just selling their players to the highest bidder or they look like an SMC farm team.

I am not saying trades should be barred because it is normal but it should be fair in nature. Basketball franchises should refuse to give away their best players. Just because Ginebra is losing does not mean they should rob PBA fans and get the best players from other teams. It is good to overhaul a team but doing it by sacrificing the honesty and the competitive balance of our beloved PBA is not the way to go. If trades are going to continue to be like this, I would not be surprised if the PBA will one day shut down because it is very obvious that this is just a 5 team league (three from SMC versus two from the Pangilinan Group) and other companies would fear to invest in such a league which can considered a black hole economically.

Source: Down with Manila

Amen and fuming.....

Dont forget tnt manipulated the pba by taking r reyes ang k william from sta lucia practicaly owned by mvp already..those teams did not go through a 3rd party...And TnT is doing the same b4 freely trading players to air21 taking air 21 best players like ranidel , renren ritualo and others..so dont just blame smc ,mvp did much worse when barios is still the commisioner

I couldn't agree more...

One of the SMC team ang isa ngayon sa pinaka malakas na line-up, baka pag wala na namang narating ito, babalasahin na naman ng mga big bosses ng SMC. Natataranta ang SMC sa kung sino makaka pigil sa TnT...

Enough on this sister team issues.. I think PBA should allow sister teams to trade directly to each other IF the commisioner is seriously examining the trades..

actually ang mvp ang nagpasimula nya ng kunin nila si macmac sa air21 a week after the draft day, then nagkasunod sunod na, ung kay jwash na supposed to be a player for the national squad pero napunta din sa tnt at ganun din kay kelly with ryan reyes, radinel, japeth aguilar, ang masakit dyan kay yancy at patrick fran, sila ung lague dinadamay ng tnt kapag need nila kumuha ng young star sa air21 kaya hindi ko mabilang kung ilang beses na nagpabalik balik sina fran at yancy sa tnt at air21 kaya siguro nagassistant coach na lang si fran napagud na sya sa trade and correction hindi nakuha ng smb si jwash ng free agency, nakuha sya sa trade in the draft day for jason castro, hindi kasi kasundo ni jwash ung coach ng tnt, coach derrick pumaren pa ata un, so isipin nyo na lang what if jason castro are playing for smb/petron at its normal ng basketball even in the nba nagyayari un tingnan nyo ung nagyari nung 2007 when celtics acquire kg from twolves in 8 man players trade and ray allen for draft pick that turn to be jeff green kasama sina wally SZCZERBIAK, delonte west at ngaun magkakampi na sina allen at green injured nga lang si green at 1 year after ng trade balik celtcis si west at ganun din kay pau gasol when lakers get him in memphis almost everyone says that its lopsided but look at now marc gasol is playing better than his big brother pau, so ganun lang talaga ang basketball its about money, pride and business, the bigger the money you will include in the trade the bigger chance you can get another young star, kaya ako inaabangan ko na lang during the pba or nba season na my bagong player na napunta sa hindi sikat or mayaman team, saan ka sya malilipat in a few months or years

shikaku wrote:actually ang mvp ang nagpasimula nya ng kunin nila si macmac sa air21 a week after the draft day, then nagkasunod sunod na, ung kay jwash na supposed to be a player for the national squad pero napunta din sa tnt at ganun din kay kelly with ryan reyes, radinel, japeth aguilar, ang masakit dyan kay yancy at patrick fran, sila ung lague dinadamay ng tnt kapag need nila kumuha ng young star sa air21 kaya hindi ko mabilang kung ilang beses na nagpabalik balik sina fran at yancy sa tnt at air21 kaya siguro nagassistant coach na lang si fran napagud na sya sa trade and correction hindi nakuha ng smb si jwash ng free agency, nakuha sya sa trade in the draft day for jason castro, hindi kasi kasundo ni jwash ung coach ng tnt, coach derrick pumaren pa ata un, so isipin nyo na lang what if jason castro are playing for smb/petron at its normal ng basketball even in the nba nagyayari un tingnan nyo ung nagyari nung 2007 when celtics acquire kg from twolves in 8 man players trade and ray allen for draft pick that turn to be jeff green kasama sina wally SZCZERBIAK, delonte west at ngaun magkakampi na sina allen at green injured nga lang si green at 1 year after ng trade balik celtcis si west at ganun din kay pau gasol when lakers get him in memphis almost everyone says that its lopsided but look at now marc gasol is playing better than his big brother pau, so ganun lang talaga ang basketball its about money, pride and business, the bigger the money you will include in the trade the bigger chance you can get another young star, kaya ako inaabangan ko na lang during the pba or nba season na my bagong player na napunta sa hindi sikat or mayaman team, saan ka sya malilipat in a few months or years

Okay sabihin na natin, nandun na tayo, ginawa din ng MVP yan before. So does it mean we can to do it also? Parang mali lang, pag ganun ang mentalidad natin. "Ginawa naman nila yan dati. pwede din nating gawin ngayon". Wala tayong mararating.

We're not against the teams here, wala naman magagawa ang mga PBA teams kung walang basbas ng PBA Commissioner.

what i hate the most is when people try to ram into my cranium that the last 2 trades were fair! kesyo may tira sa labas yung kapalit. kesyo bata pa. kesyo kung ano ano pa. pwede ba, nakakapag isip ako para sa sarili ko at nanonood ako ng basketball. naglalaro din ako kaya naiintindihan ko ang basketball. hindi ko sinasabing eksperto ako sa larangan ng basketball pero hindi ako juice.

sa nangyaring trade, parang straight up kerby - JC ang nangyari eh. tsamba ka na lang makakuha ng players na MAAYOS sa 2nd round ng draft pick. kerby same value as JC? who are you kidding? yeah yeah JC has a lot of potential but for crying out loud he's 28 already! geez! potential is a word used for rookies or sophomores but not on a guy who's been around for 7 years!

so JC can shoot outside. nakngtinapay! eto na naman tayo. j yap, j villanueva, r yap, j urbiztondo, pj simon, v acuna, y de ocampo and j de vance. and bmeg still needs shooter when 8 of their players are shooters?!?! geeez!

kerby can score (jump shot, drive and post-up), defend, rebound and pass off pick and roll. and yes, he is also prone to commit TO's but his other contributions can offset that. plus one thing that doesn't show up in the stats sheet is his leadership.

intal can score (jump shot, drive and post-up) but he settles a lot for and outside shot when he can take it strong to the basket with his athleticsm and leaping ability. he's a good defender only if he's guarding guys shorter than he is. the thing i don't like about him the most is he doesn't take charge when the situation calls for it. takot masaktan. if jawo is still coaching BGK i doubt he'll last 3 games with the team because of this.

no, i am not blaming BGK but please, stop pretending that the trade that happened is FAIR.

only a FOOL won't see the real score between these two companies.

let's say it was the other way around - SMB drafted Baclao, Hussaini & Guevarra, would they trade them all at the same time?

feroza wrote:what i hate the most is when people try to ram into my cranium that the last 2 trades were fair! kesyo may tira sa labas yung kapalit. kesyo bata pa. kesyo kung ano ano pa. pwede ba, nakakapag isip ako para sa sarili ko at nanonood ako ng basketball. naglalaro din ako kaya naiintindihan ko ang basketball. hindi ko sinasabing eksperto ako sa larangan ng basketball pero hindi ako juice.

sa nangyaring trade, parang straight up kerby - JC ang nangyari eh. tsamba ka na lang makakuha ng players na MAAYOS sa 2nd round ng draft pick. kerby same value as JC? who are you kidding? yeah yeah JC has a lot of potential but for crying out loud he's 28 already! geez! potential is a word used for rookies or sophomores but not on a guy who's been around for 7 years!

so JC can shoot outside. nakngtinapay! eto na naman tayo. j yap, j villanueva, r yap, j urbiztondo, pj simon, v acuna, y de ocampo and j de vance. and bmeg still needs shooter when 8 of their players are shooters?!?! geeez!

kerby can score (jump shot, drive and post-up), defend, rebound and pass off pick and roll. and yes, he is also prone to commit TO's but his other contributions can offset that. plus one thing that doesn't show up in the stats sheet is his leadership.

intal can score (jump shot, drive and post-up) but he settles a lot for and outside shot when he can take it strong to the basket with his athleticsm and leaping ability. he's a good defender only if he's guarding guys shorter than he is. the thing i don't like about him the most is he doesn't take charge when the situation calls for it. takot masaktan. if jawo is still coaching BGK i doubt he'll last 3 games with the team because of this.

no, i am not blaming BGK but please, stop pretending that the trade that happened is FAIR.

Pre I'm a BGK fan also, pero alam kong may maling nangyari sa trade na ito. I'm not blaming the SMC for this trades, si kume may problema dito since kung hindi naman aprubahan ito walang magagawa ang mga teams.

FDS wrote:

shikaku wrote:actually ang mvp ang nagpasimula nya ng kunin nila si macmac sa air21 a week after the draft day, then nagkasunod sunod na, ung kay jwash na supposed to be a player for the national squad pero napunta din sa tnt at ganun din kay kelly with ryan reyes, radinel, japeth aguilar, ang masakit dyan kay yancy at patrick fran, sila ung lague dinadamay ng tnt kapag need nila kumuha ng young star sa air21 kaya hindi ko mabilang kung ilang beses na nagpabalik balik sina fran at yancy sa tnt at air21 kaya siguro nagassistant coach na lang si fran napagud na sya sa trade and correction hindi nakuha ng smb si jwash ng free agency, nakuha sya sa trade in the draft day for jason castro, hindi kasi kasundo ni jwash ung coach ng tnt, coach derrick pumaren pa ata un, so isipin nyo na lang what if jason castro are playing for smb/petron at its normal ng basketball even in the nba nagyayari un tingnan nyo ung nagyari nung 2007 when celtics acquire kg from twolves in 8 man players trade and ray allen for draft pick that turn to be jeff green kasama sina wally SZCZERBIAK, delonte west at ngaun magkakampi na sina allen at green injured nga lang si green at 1 year after ng trade balik celtcis si west at ganun din kay pau gasol when lakers get him in memphis almost everyone says that its lopsided but look at now marc gasol is playing better than his big brother pau, so ganun lang talaga ang basketball its about money, pride and business, the bigger the money you will include in the trade the bigger chance you can get another young star, kaya ako inaabangan ko na lang during the pba or nba season na my bagong player na napunta sa hindi sikat or mayaman team, saan ka sya malilipat in a few months or years

Okay sabihin na natin, nandun na tayo, ginawa din ng MVP yan before. So does it mean we can to do it also? Parang mali lang, pag ganun ang mentalidad natin. "Ginawa naman nila yan dati. pwede din nating gawin ngayon". Wala tayong mararating.

We're not against the teams here, wala naman magagawa ang mga PBA teams kung walang basbas ng PBA Commissioner.

nasa commissioner office na yung final decision if he will accept it or not, beside sya na ang nagsabi na no more lopsided trade so kung sa tinggin nya na hindi un patas hindi na un papayagan

uu nga parang ang naglalabanan na lang eh ung SMC at MVP teams..

..how about the others naman..

In terms of talent, i believed that kerby is more talented than JC. but it is not lopsided trade. teams trade players not only to acquire or update their roster in terms of talent but also to improved their chemistry. base sa mga nababasa ko meron DAW some sort of problema si j.yap playing alongside kirby. if this is true, the bmeg management has done a good job of trading raymundo instead of james yap for JC.

just my 2 cents..peace

So sad, ndi na balanse ang team sa pba when it comes to having their superstar.

No wonder babagsak ang PBA pagdating ng panahon ska lang to maiisp ng PBA officials. Sana i allowed na lang ng PBA ang trade ng sister team mas magiging ok kung ganun kasi untouchable na yung mga start player ng mabababang team. Ndi na kasi competitive ang PBA dhil sa lintek na mga trade na ito hehehehe

Pre I'm a BGK fan also, pero alam kong may maling nangyari sa trade na ito. I'm not blaming the SMC for this trades, si kume may problema dito since kung hindi naman aprubahan ito walang magagawa ang mga teams.

yep, i understand and i wasn't pertaning to you. ^_^

i am just venting my frustration. and yes, commissioner salud is a bozo. though it's still barios who i hate the most among the PBA commssioners. iyun talagang garapalan, tsong. anaesthesia ata tubig nun kaya walang pakiramdam ang muka eh.

feroza wrote:

Pre I'm a BGK fan also, pero alam kong may maling nangyari sa trade na ito. I'm not blaming the SMC for this trades, si kume may problema dito since kung hindi naman aprubahan ito walang magagawa ang mga teams.

yep, i understand and i wasn't pertaning to you. ^_^

i am just venting my frustration. and yes, commissioner salud is a bozo. though it's still barios who i hate the most among the PBA commssioners. iyun talagang garapalan, tsong. anaesthesia ata tubig nun kaya walang pakiramdam ang muka eh.

No pre, hindi ko sinasabing pinatatamaan mo ko. Ibig ko lang sabihin, Ginag*&$ mo sarili mo pag sinabi mong FAIR TRADE yan porke't pumabor sa paborito mong team yung trade. Sige for example CAGUIOA for Jonas Villanueva +2012 2ND ROUND DRAFT PICK? Fair na siguro yan noh?

I think you should not mention SMC and LINA's group only, what about MVP???????talk n text???you cannot blame other teams if they want to make their line up stronger,,,how can u match up the MVP team like talk n text if you have only a star player good for first five lang at pag nag foul trouble wala nang pag match up kasi puro na bench player mga kasama..look at talk n text, only gilbert LAO are bench player, yet you blame SMC and LINA for doing these????Sta Lucia and Red bull are about to be disbanded that time and they sold most of there star player to talk n text..the question is why the previous commissioner approved that trade kung saan ang kapalit na player ay bench player or may edad na...i am a PBA fan but boaring kasi hindi pa nag start ang conference alam muna kung sino ang mag champion...sino dito ang hindi alam kung sino ang mananalo sa SHOPINAS.COM CLICKERS VS TALK N TEXT??????alam natin na negosyo ito pero sana alagaan nila integrity ng PBA...

FDS wrote:

feroza wrote:

yep, i understand and i wasn't pertaning to you. ^_^

i am just venting my frustration. and yes, commissioner salud is a bozo. though it's still barios who i hate the most among the PBA commssioners. iyun talagang garapalan, tsong. anaesthesia ata tubig nun kaya walang pakiramdam ang muka eh.

No pre, hindi ko sinasabing pinatatamaan mo ko. Ibig ko lang sabihin, Ginag*&$ mo sarili mo pag sinabi mong FAIR TRADE yan porke't pumabor sa paborito mong team yung trade. Sige for example CAGUIOA for Jonas Villanueva +2012 2ND ROUND DRAFT PICK? Fair na siguro yan noh?

yung mga nagsasabing fair trade yung nangyari pati na din si KUME na nag approved.. Gi!@#g&* nila at niya yung sarili niya

marcbenj wrote:Dont forget tnt manipulated the pba by taking r reyes ang k william from sta lucia practicaly owned by mvp already..those teams did not go through a 3rd party...And TnT is doing the same b4 freely trading players to air21 taking air 21 best players like ranidel , renren ritualo and others..so dont just blame smc ,mvp did much worse when barios is still the commisioner

PRACTICALLY pero hindi legally... so it's ok pa rin...

"In 2010, Williams, along with team mates Ryan Reyes and Charles Walters, was traded to the Talk N Text Phone Pals for Ali Peek, Nic Belasco, Yousif Aljamal, and Ogie Menor. The deal was brought about by Sta. Lucia's financial problems" - Wikipedia, Kelly Williams

the fire power of the trade was also balance... i don't see anything wrong here... and after nito, lumakas din ang ibang teams like the SMB after acquiring miranda and yeo from sta. lucia.

benjienator wrote:I think you should not mention SMC and LINA's group only, what about MVP???????talk n text???you cannot blame other teams if they want to make their line up stronger,,,how can u match up the MVP team like talk n text if you have only a star player good for first five lang at pag nag foul trouble wala nang pag match up kasi puro na bench player mga kasama..look at talk n text, only gilbert LAO are bench player, yet you blame SMC and LINA for doing these????Sta Lucia and Red bull are about to be disbanded that time and they sold most of there star player to talk n text..the question is why the previous commissioner approved that trade kung saan ang kapalit na player ay bench player or may edad na...i am a PBA fan but boaring kasi hindi pa nag start ang conference alam muna kung sino ang mag champion...sino dito ang hindi alam kung sino ang mananalo sa SHOPINAS.COM CLICKERS VS TALK N TEXT??????alam natin na negosyo ito pero sana alagaan nila integrity ng PBA...

Welcome po benjenator! Keep on posting po!