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First we saw Allein Maliksi and Rico Maierhofer go to Ginebra for absolutely nothing in return( yes, consider Yancy De Ocampo and Jimbo Aquino bad players), now Dylan Ababou and Kerby Raymundo will be going to Ginebra for JC Intal (BMEG) , Reil Cervantes(Barako Bull) and Ronald Tubid(Barako Bull).

The Basketball scene in the Philippines is losing its integrity with trades like this. I remember when Enrico Villanueva, Larry Fonacier, and Lordy Tugade went to the San Miguel Beermen(during that time Magnolia). It was 2007 and Barako Bull led by coach Yeng Guiao was winning championships. San Miguel had the deepest line-up in league because aside from getting the best players of Barako Bull, they had Danny Seigle, Danny Ildefonso, Dorian Pena, Dondon Hontiveros, Olsen Racela, and rookie LA Tenorio. This team was good enough to become a Philippine National Team and by the next season they received Jay Washington and Mick Pennisi via free agency.

I consider these events as the "Philippine Basketball Dark Ages" because of these lopsided deals, many teams lost popularity such as Sta Lucia, Coca Cola, Shell, and Air 21. Nobody was watching the games except if you are a Ginebra, Purefoods, or a San Miguel fan. The only team that survived this turmoil was Alaska because the Aces management during that time was able to keep Tim Cone's system and they made a very smart trade to for LA Tenorio and Larry Fonacier in exchange for Ken Bono and Mike Cortez. The teams that lost money sold their Marquee players to Talk n Text, that is why Kelly Williams, Ranidel De Ocampo, and Ryan Reyes are playing for consecutive championships as we speak.



Now we are seeing it yet again. Basketball executives do not understand why people are watching these games or why people love the PBA. The Philippine Basketball Association is supposedly a basketball league and not a Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals event. Basketball fans turn on TV's or go to the Araneta Coliseum to watch competitive basketball. I really thought something changed this season. But when Barako Bull sent their best rookies to Ginebra, this league fortifed the idea that it is a big joke. Ginebra is a crowd favorite because it is an underdog not because it is an All-star team. Why can't SMC let Mark Caguioa and Jayjay Helterbrand and get younger players from future drafts? A league should have winners and losers that interchange from time to time. Franchises used to have an Alvin Patrimonio or Benjie Paras leading the way. Now, we have powerhouse teams that look very expensive (So much for the imposed salary cap). Instead of having role players, we see star players replacing star players. SMC teams and the Pangilinan teams are just too deep. The Lina group is just selling their players to the highest bidder or they look like an SMC farm team.

I am not saying trades should be barred because it is normal but it should be fair in nature. Basketball franchises should refuse to give away their best players. Just because Ginebra is losing does not mean they should rob PBA fans and get the best players from other teams. It is good to overhaul a team but doing it by sacrificing the honesty and the competitive balance of our beloved PBA is not the way to go. If trades are going to continue to be like this, I would not be surprised if the PBA will one day shut down because it is very obvious that this is just a 5 team league (three from SMC versus two from the Pangilinan Group) and other companies would fear to invest in such a league which can considered a black hole economically.

Source: Down with Manila

kalokohan na all star ang tnt? mas malakas pa nga ang line-up ng petron, bgk, at bmeg.. c fonacier? eh tinapon nga lng yn ng alaska eh at c peek? matanda na kya lng tlgang strong prin sya mag laro..sbhin ntin kya malakas ang tnt dhil sa team chemistry nila at sa depensa nila..no more excuses nlng nsa pag hahandle yn ng coach to be competetive sa liga.. pero sino b nagumpisa ng mga lopsided trade? db smc din d nyo b natatandaan umpisa pa nun ng kay lordy tugade villanueva pingris pennisi miranda yeo lhat sa smc napunta? huli na lng ang tnt gnyan tlga sino ba nman ayw lumakas ang team..cguro ang question dto eh un nag approve kung tma ba at kung may nangyayari na technacality wla tau mggawa jn d nman tau expert sa liga pra batikusin kung ano gngawa nila expectator lng tau eh..mhalaga support nlng ntin ang team ntin db?

lhat nman ng trade eh may purpose bka ngaun masasabi ntin na puro lopsided pero pag dating ng draft ska ntin malalaman ang kasagutan na kya pla cla pumayag sa ganyan eh mas llakas pla team nila after the draft so wag muna kayo hot lets wait and see nlng puro de kalidad at mahuhusay na player ang maaring mag pa draft this year like the beast abueva, hodge, sanggalang, ramos, garbo lanete, garcia, vic manuel , ellis , marcelo , bka sumali na din c fajardo at slaughter db..

Money matters....

Lagi nanlalamang yng SMC...dpat tlga mga "Independent" teams(ROS,Powerade,Alaska) ang at least 1/2 ng finals matchup kada conference...

I already posted long ago that SMC, Air21 and Pangilinan group are destrying the league. They're just too callous to heed the call for equality and fairness. Sino ba naman magtatyaga na mag cheer sa Air21 na tuwing may magaling silang rookie benebenta nila either sa SMC or TNT? Here are great players drafted by Air21 franchise in the past. Kung hinawakan lang nila ang mga ito sana madami na sila Championships.

Malikisi
Ababou
Husseini
Baclao
Anthony
Aguilar
Ross
Matias
Intal
Kramer
Santos
Washington
Cardona
Canaleta
Pingris
Ranidel de Ocampo
Cortez - draft traded
Ferriols
Yancy de Ocampo
Ritualo

and the list goes on.....

Bakit kaya hindi magtalaga ng rules like na bawal i-trade ang new players unless they have served a minimum of 2 years in their new teams. If teams need to trade away they should do it on their picks. before the players are even drafted. This will prevent the Lina group from trading away their newly acquired drafted players in exchange for veterans plus draft picks immediately. At least they have to serve at least 2 more years from their contract, right? If they do so, trade them, PBA has the right to impose a penalty like they still have to pay for the players 2 year salary or whats left.


And siguro Salary/contract of players should be open book to the league. Para mapatupad yang salary cap na yan. Madaya kasi maxado yung ibang team eh. Dinadaya yung salary ng mga players. Which no one can prove unless the players themselves tell the league that the declared salary is not the same with what he is receiving which would be rare to happen.

They should also consider adding up to at least 4 new teams. Pag kasi me gustong mag-apply na new team nahaharang. Like when SMB renamed to Petron, perhaps to prevent a new team from signing up which is also of the same business (Gas).

Saka dapat kasi when a team is added. The board should make a ruling like protect 10 policy. Where for example, there are 15 players in BGK, the rests of the 5 players unprotected can be picked up by any expansion teams. Like what happened to Shopinas which we all know severely lacked talent. Rarely used players needs a chance to play. Teams like Petron, BMEG, TNT, BGK have too much talent in their lineups. Their 2nd 5 can already be starters in another team like shopinas or another expansion team. Sobra sobra na sa redundancy sa bawat positions. Sometimes there are 3 to 4 players sharing the same position that the lesser talented / experienced players isn' t given a chance, until they have already losts their confidence and their games.

Sana lang maisip ng board members ang ganitong mga ideas that they could do to maintain the balance of the league.

Lina franchise is all about business, we just need to accept na ganun talaga sila.

E'to lang 'yan e. A lopsided trade or scrupulous trades to the eyes of the fans cannot be sealed & done without the approval of both parties involved + the commissioners office. Madaming mga nangyaring trades na may mga "hidden/side" agreements ang both parties kaya hindi man patas sa ngayon, may kapalit yan bukas!

Very professional lang din naman ang mga comments nila sa interviews that made them look affirmative to the transactions that their teams went through.

In the eyes of the fans, yung team na nakalamang ang magulang. Pero wala namang manggugulang kung walang nag papagulang. That's why 'di din na'ten masisisi ang SMC or MVP teams to take advantage.

i still say MVP at SMC are ruining the credibility of the league,isama na rin dyan ang napaka mukhang perang Air21... dahil dyan bka nga soon,di na mgtatagal ang PBA... and i totally agree with the article... and for me SMC started all of this unbalancing of the PBA teams simula nung naghahakot na sila ng maggaling na players... iba na talaga laro ngaun kumpara noon... kung sinong maperang team,sya ang lumalakas at nandun sa taas ng standings... di tatagal panay all star na line up lahat ng teams nila cojuangco at pangilinan...tsk tsk tsk.....

SMC and MVP owned teams are the main reason why PBA is still here, sta. lucia realtors, shell, and red bull disband a couple of years ago. there are surplus of talents on the pool but only LIMITED number of TEAMS. the reason why team such as TNT and SMB benefited on this occasions, players from disbanding team STA. LUCIA were offered, but who took the gamble on signing players with salaries reach maximums? if only teams ALASKA, RED BULL, AIR 21 and so on can PAY these players, they won't end up with TNT alone. ALASKA for one thing can't afford to PAY so many SUPERSTARS on their rosters, did you notice they only have a handful? SMC teams manage to share some talents too. now that teams are complaining and FANS are arguing about MANIPULATING and UNFAIR trade deals, do you think the rest of the BOARD of GOVERNORS will just sit there and LET their teams get robbed in broad daylight? Before RED BULL disband, we all know that the management try to TRADE their players to teams who are willing to pay the remaining contracts, and in return they receive some so-so / bench players. did anyone complain during those days? imagine what will happen if TNT and SMC did not take talents like - J-wash, K-will, cabagnot, denok, Yeo, etc. do you think AIR 21, POWERADE, or RAIN or SHINE will risk their millions on these guys? -- sa ngayon magpasalamat na lang muna tayo na may napapanood pa tayong PBA!

pwede din naman kasi na dumadami ang mga good players pero di nadadagdan ang teams... konti ang 10 teams sa tutuusin... saan naman kaya pupunta ang mga players if walang kukuha? sayang ang entertainment and league missions.

opinyon ko lang.... there is something wrong sa liga.... in terms of brand of play ok na e..... hindi lang talaga balanse...

arbie wrote:SMC and MVP owned teams are the main reason why PBA is still here, sta. lucia realtors, shell, and red bull disband a couple of years ago.

i beg to differ. during the early years of the PBA hindi naman bigatin or malalaking kumpanya ang kasali sa liga, pero ang focus before ay yung basketball as a SPORT pa, ngayon kasi more of basketball as ENTERTAINMENT and ADVERTISING medium na.

kaya naman tumataas din ang sweldo ng mga players ay dahil sa mga higanteng kumpanya na kayang magpasweldo ng malaki. ang siste nawawala tuloy yung iba na hindi kayang makipagsabayan sa MVP at SMC group.

i believe the PBA, as a sport, can survive without these 2 corporations. and not only that, it will thrive because the games will be more exciting as it won't be tainted with "money" issues.

especially now with the arrival of the Lina Group, talagang bumababa na ang credibility ng PBA coz of the shady deals concocted by these 3 business groups.

kaya sana nga dumami pa ang independent teams tulad ng Powerade, Alaska at Rain or Shine. sila na lang kasi ang magsisilbing check and balance sa anomalya na nagaganap sa PBA ngayon.

sa nangyayaring sa PBA,

i badly miss MBA.

mas masarap mag cheer para sa probinsya mo. :D

muha naman may punto si sir,la tlaga balanse kawawa na lang talaga yng ibang team,pero ang di lang talagang balanse eh ang san miguel at tnt.yong bangko nila, katumbas na ng isang team,like shop pinas.la man lang mgdala sa kanila.

ver wrote:sa nangyayaring sa PBA,

i badly miss MBA.

mas masarap mag cheer para sa probinsya mo. :D

tama ... i still have my picture with LAGUNA LAKERS players, arboleda, hatfield, simon, flowers, nicdao. daming FIL-Ams sa MBA dati, sayang lang at di tumagal, ang ganda ng VISION nila eh, di lang kinaya ng gastos.

arbie wrote: what will happen if TNT and SMC did not take talents like - J-wash, K-will, cabagnot, denok, Yeo, etc. do you think AIR 21, POWERADE, or RAIN or SHINE will risk their millions on these guys? -- sa ngayon magpasalamat na lang muna tayo na may napapanood pa tayong PBA!

I'll bet my last penny that there are lots of private entities out there who are willing to fill in. Those two teams you mentioned hinder the entry of these potential investors for obvious reason.

pinaka obvious dyan yung ginawa ng SMC, SMB pinalitan na Petron ang name, dahil ayaw papasukin ang Phoenix fuel.... pera perahan na talaga PBA...iilan na lang teams na honest and fair... kaya nga mas inaabangan q nlng bawat laro sa NBA kesa magtiis sa internet na manuod ng PBA, siguro pg may laro na Aces makakapanuod aq from time to time...

valmanway wrote:pinaka obvious dyan yung ginawa ng SMC, SMB pinalitan na Petron ang name, dahil ayaw papasukin ang Phoenix fuel.... pera perahan na talaga PBA...iilan na lang teams na honest and fair... kaya nga mas inaabangan q nlng bawat laro sa NBA kesa magtiis sa internet na manuod ng PBA, siguro pg may laro na Aces makakapanuod aq from time to time...

natural aces ang papanuorin mo eh fans ka ng aces.,kung ako nga kahit bayaran mo ako manuod ng ibang team dko gagawin kasi fans ako ng BGK at BGK lang ang inaabangan kung team at gustong kung panuorin ung iba boring na ako iba iba kasi ang trip ng tao so wala nmn pilitan d2 kung ano gs2 mo panuorin at gawin sa buhay mo.gwin mo ang gusto mo kung san ka masaya pero kung pupunahin nu ang malalaking company gaya ng SMC,MVP eh magisip muna kau maige.kung wala yan dalawa baka matagl ng walang PBA at wala kaung pinanunuod ngaun.kahit pano iappreciate na alng ninyo khit my discrepancy sa liga.ang mahalaga importante napapanuod nu pa ang fav,players at team nu.

MELSKI wrote:
natural aces ang papanuorin mo eh fans ka ng aces.,kung ako nga kahit bayaran mo ako manuod ng ibang team dko gagawin kasi fans ako ng BGK at BGK lang ang inaabangan kung team at gustong kung panuorin ung iba boring na ako iba iba kasi ang trip ng tao so wala nmn pilitan d2 kung ano gs2 mo panuorin at gawin sa buhay mo.gwin mo ang gusto mo kung san ka masaya pero kung pupunahin nu ang malalaking company gaya ng SMC,MVP eh magisip muna kau maige.kung wala yan dalawa baka matagl ng walang PBA at wala kaung pinanunuod ngaun.kahit pano iappreciate na alng ninyo khit my discrepancy sa liga.ang mahalaga importante napapanuod nu pa ang fav,players at team nu.

sigurado ka na wala ng PBA ngayon kung walang SMC at MVP?

explain mo nga sa akin kung paano ka nakasiguro.

How about TNT?

Remember year 2010, Kelly Williams & Ryan Reyes were traded to TNT? Sa tingin ko di din naman patas yung deal ah.

Tapos yung kay Japeth pa, nung pinamigay sya ng Air21 sa TNT kapalit ang future draft picks? Haha.

Eagle_Eye wrote:

arbie wrote: what will happen if TNT and SMC did not take talents like - J-wash, K-will, cabagnot, denok, Yeo, etc. do you think AIR 21, POWERADE, or RAIN or SHINE will risk their millions on these guys? -- sa ngayon magpasalamat na lang muna tayo na may napapanood pa tayong PBA!

I'll bet my last penny that there are lots of private entities out there who are willing to fill in. Those two teams you mentioned hinder the entry of these potential investors for obvious reason.

Right on the money. OT: is this eagleye that i used to know?

To add, investors with the same lineage/brand/product from the existing teams. INVESTORS as i may reiterate, who sees the PBA as a avenue for a good marketing strategy, in which admittedly, the MVP's, COJUANGCO's and LINA's are profusely taking advantage. And lo and behold, THAT IS THE COMPETITION the PBA now embarks, well a competition nonethless.